Ben Toverdam of Incels For Trump: "The hardest part of being an Incel is the 'involuntary' part..."
Yesterday's rally cannot be seen except as an abject failure on the part of the alt-right.
Hardly anyone from their side showed up. There were far outnumbered by cops and the many anti-racist and anti-fascist protesters - a few dozen alt-right fascists facing hundreds of leftists and hundreds of cops. (There were about twenty arrests, mostly Leftists; many for wearing masks or having banned weapons.)
Most troubling, when the alt-right talked of "child sacrifice" by the Left at the rally, they weren't talking about the countless sacrifices liberals make for their children... they were talking about making sacrifices OF children, as in human sacrifice.
Human sacrifice? Really?
All sane people must come together now to declare Q, Pizzagate, and the Seth Rich conspiracy (the spiritual children of racist Birtherism) for what they are: Complete and utter b.s.!
This raises a really good question: Why are so many of the alt-right's sacred cows built on absolute untruths? From InfoWars' denial of the Sandy Hook murders to Birtherism to Seth Rich to Pizzagate, and now Q... demonstrably false information being put forward and entire philosophies based on nonsense.
For some reason, the alt-right is obsessed with Berkeley.
Well, there are a lot of reasons. Berkeley is the home of the Free Speech Movement, the "Athens of the West", home to some of the most liberal and radical students, academics, and local politicians in the country... ... but the alt-right's obsession still seems a bit misplaced and over the top.
There have been several alt-right rallies in Berkeley over the past year or so.
There was Milo Yiannopoulos' speech on campus being cancelled after a riot, and the March 4 Trump rally, amongst others.
When Milo came to Berkeley
Then came August 5, 2018.
Among the whackos at the event in Berkeley, August 5, 2018, Alex Jones' right-hand man:
SANDY HOOK DENIER OWEN SHROYER of InfoWars
CO-DEFENDANT IN LAWSUIT BY SANDY HOOK PARENTS
FILMING At BERKELEY event with three bodyguards
One of the organizers who we saw at the other rallies too is a trans woman, Amber Cummings, who for some reason was carrying a sign calling for the jailing of Bill Ayers. I asked her what she had against Bill Ayers. She said he belonged in jail. I said he was a hero. She said I was "commie scum". So much for dialogue the alt-right claimed to be seeking.
(By the way, Amber has already announced TWO new rallies: August 25 at Facebook HQ in Menlo Park, CA. to protest Alex Jones being removed from the platform and another protest in Berkeley September 15 (supposedly to protest Leftists attacking a Marine Recruiting office on August 5 during the last Berkeley rally).
We heard that white supremacist skinhead group The Proud Boys were meant to show up in Berkeley but decided not to as pro-Trump organizers specifically said they rejected racism. Furthermore, the Proud Boys commitment to LGBTQ rights for Amber Cummings and others, is unknown but I suspect this too may have something to do with the distance we are now seeing between The Proud Boys and other alt-right groups in California.
It seems natural to attack the alt-right for being racist, bigoted, and not supporting diversity. Heightening contradictions. They defend attacks they are racist by showing they have a Black friend, a contrarian whose identity is based on being a "radical" person of color who rejects the Democratic Party and the left for "the truth" and camaraderie of the far-right. (Similarly, they use the Left's support for free speech to protect their own hate speech.)
When alt-right groups are not racist and bigoted, or pretend to not be racist and bigoted, it is better if they are understood not as racists but as fascists, and the alt-right people of color are simply fascists of color. We've seen them before. The death squad in El Salvador that conspired to kill Archbishop Romero consisted of fascists of color.
It is further complicated by the fact that not all the people at these rallies are fascists, per se. Some of them are simply misguided Trump supporters and random Conservatives who fear for the direction of this country.
Some of them, I assume, are good people.
But among them, are some of the basest knuckle-draggers and mouth breathers this side of a Pro-Wrestling event (which yesterday's rally resembled to some extent).
Despite the claims of some to be not racist or to be minorities themselves, perhaps some of them are sincere. But some of them are racist and support racist and bigoted policies.
I heard one of the main organizers using a loudspeaker attack George Soros, which I consider a racist, anti-Semitic attack, in line with Trump's dog whistles to the racist right.
This same person led a chant on a bullhorn against pedophiles and child sacrifice. (The actual chant was: "No Commies! No pedophiles! No child sacrifice!")
His name is Kim Sorgente of Redlands, California, one of the leaders of "Incels For Trump".
As you can see from this self-created meme that Kim (Michael) posted on his Facebook page, he really cares about children...
Here he is last June (wearing his favorite shirt) protesting on behalf of Steve Bannon's friend, British fascist Tommy Robinson...
(By the way, Tommy Robinson is also obsessed with exposing a secret pedophile elite. What is it with these people's obsessions with secret child sex cults? In Tommy's dystopian worldview, Muslims are "taking over" Britain, bringing crime, violence, rape, and pedophilia with them. Sounds remarkably like Trump's "Build A Wall" talk of keeping out rapist Mexicans trying to "invade" America.
British fascists is a bridge too far, even for most Orange County right-wingers, but "Child Sacrifice"?
Now we are in Loony Tunes territory.
I remember in the 1980s there was an urban legend about wealthy, powerful men who had a national child sex ring going on which involved human sacrifice (part of this is reflected in the McMartin Day Care scandal and related cases where innocent people were framed for horrible crimes based on hysteria, paranoia, mental illness and political or spiritual "certainty").
The FBI investigated and found nothing.
Similarly, I was traveling in Guatemala when there was a hysteria that foreigners were stealing children's body parts for wealthy sick foreigners. I heard of two women who were nearly killed by an angry mob that mistakenly thought they were trying to steal children for body parts.
There was never any evidence suggesting there was any truth whatsoever to the rumors the mob was reacting too.
Sadly, we are here again.
It's called Q.
They believe Hillary and Bill Clinton, Obama, and many of their wealthy and powerful friends are pedophiles who enjoy child sex parties and occasionally some torture and murder.
I hasten to add that the rape, torture, abuse, and murder of children is no laughing matter.
If anyone has any acutal evidence of this actually happening, please get off the Internet right now and call 911 IMMEDIATELY to report these horrible crimes. If however, you are spreading false rumors for political and financial gain, shut the hell up!
Sometimes it feels like the best thing to do is to ignore the alt-right, especially if they can't rally significant numbers, but it also feels right to be there protesting and representing a Berkeley legacy against hate, racism, and fascism. My own experiences in Berkeley in the 80s with the anti-apartheid movement and Central American solidarity were formative for me.
One had to wonder if the obsession with child abuse and violence against children was in any way an attempt to "normalize" such things, "project", and prepare us for revelations that Trump or people in his circle are also guilty of similar crimes (as seen in the Trumpian claim that "collusion" and "getting dirt on political enemies" are things that "everyone does"). Indeed, many have wondered what blackmail Putin has on Trump.
Did Trump Choke Putin's Underaged Hooker To Death? Is Putin Blackmailing Him With A Video?
Trump with Jeffrey Epstein
But I don't want to get TOO paranoid, like our Trumpian friends...
I really liked the Q Anon theory that Robert Mueller was actually working with Trump to uncover a pedophile ring involving Democratic elites. But that's just one theory and the alt-righter (Kim) I talked to in Berkeley said he didn't believe it. He thinks Mueller is Deep State. According to him, other people theorized Mueller was working with Trump to explain why Trump hadn't fired him yet.
Several of the alt-righters in Berkeley loudly called for dialogue, and sentiments such as "we're all Americans" and the value of "being able to exercise free speech" could be heard making your way through the crowd. Several went out of their way to declare they were not racist and one of their leaders is a trans woman so presumably they are accepting of LGBTQ folk, at least in her case.
The utter strangeness of debating capitalism and Marxism with the alt-right....
At a certain point, you have to ask, "Do they actually believe this shit?" With so many references to video games, LARPing, and so on, you have to wonder how much of it is "real" to them and how much is just a "game" or a "story"...a "narrative".
Some of these alt-right folk seem to care as much/little if their Sandy Hook denials are as "real" as a D&D game or an episode of "Game of Thrones" or "The Walking Dead".
There was a bizarre moment when Leftists started chanting "No More Charlottesvilles!" and the alt-right crowd echoed the chant. It was also a powerful moment when we chanted her name, Heather Heyer, the person who died at Charlottesville. Were they sincere about rejecting racism and mourning Heather? Or was this merely more posturing and obfuscation?
(Editor's note: Notice she says, "the President condemns and denounces any group that would incite violence against another individual..." It appears to deliberately emphasize inciting violence against individuals... implying that attacks on groups rather than individuals are ok. In this reading, saying: "All journalists are enemies of the people and should be killed" is ok but saying: "Journalist Joe Johnson is an enemy of the people and we should kill him right now!" is not ok.)
Newsweek: ANTIFA NAMES AND MUGSHOTS PUBLISHED BY CALIFORNIA POLICE IN 'DISTURBING' MOVE
The Daily Cal: Anti-Marxism protest returns to Berkeley after last year’s violence, ignites tensions among demonstrators
Berkeley Police Department: Rules Imposed, weapons banned for Select City Parks, Streets on Aug. 5.
SUBJECT: RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS IN CIVIC CENTER PARK AND OHLONE PARK FOR AUGUST 5, 2018
The purpose of this rule is to preserve public safety, protect park property, safely and fairly balance competing uses of the City’s parks, and facilitate First Amendment rights during events being planned for Civic Center Park and Ohlone Park on August 5, 2018.
Pursuant to Berkeley Municipal Code (“BMC”) Chapters 13.44 and 6.46, the City Manager is authorized to impose conditions on the issuance of a permit for a street or park event. No one has applied for or obtained a permit for use of Civic Center Park or Ohlone Park, or for the use of City streets in the vicinity of those parks, for August 5, 2018. Therefore, the conditions, restrictions and prohibitions of this Rule shall apply.
The August 5, 2018 events, dubbed, variously, “No to Marxism in America 2/Exposing Communism,” “Stop the Hate Rally,” “Sweep out the Fascists,” are being planned by groups with opposing political viewpoints, such as the “alt-right”, on the one hand, and the anti- fascists, on the other. There are concerns that the motivation behind some of the August 5 events is to mark and revive violent conflicts that occurred during protests in Berkeley in 2017, both on the University of California campus and in City parks and streets. The 2017 events drew large crowds, including masked agitators who started fires, destroyed property, and engaged in violent confrontations with those endorsing opposing viewpoints. The events of 2017, occurring on February 1, 2017, March 4, 2017, April 15, 2017, April 27, 2017, August 27, 2017 and September 24, 2017, required a substantial police response, including mutual aid. During many of these events, participants came armed with metal pipes, baseball bats, lengths of 2”x 4” lumber spiked with nails, bricks, pepper spray, mace, daggers, combat shields, poles, axe handles, hatchets, helmets, masks, and similar items. Fights broke out and numerous people were seriously injured at some of the events. Arrests were made for offenses that included battery and assault with a deadly weapon. Violence at the 2017 events was well documented by the Berkeley Police Department, the news media, and participants on social media. Numerous participants wore masks or otherwise covered their faces so as to attempt to evade identification while attempting to or committing crimes and engaging in violence.
At the August 27, 2017 conflict, coordinated groups of individuals used Ohlone Park as a meeting place to stage weapons, shields, and other implements of riot, and to practice fighting maneuvers and tactics. These individuals donned masks and collectively marched with their weapons and shields to Civic Center Park, accompanied by a flatbed truck that carried additional implements of riot. Once at the park, a member of the assembled group gave amplified announcements warning, “If you don’t want violence, move away.” The group
SUBJECT: RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS IN CIVIC CENTER PARK AND OHLONE
PARK FOR AUGUST 5, 2018
deployed purple smoke to create confusion, violently attacked several individuals, and attempted to provoke physical confrontations with police officers. Several people were seriously injured, 13 people were arrested, and the violent, masked agitators largely escaped capture.
Events organized by the same or similar groups in other areas of the country this year have resulted in serious injuries to participants and police officers, due to physical assaults and use of explosives such as M-80s and M-1000s.
Issuance of this rule and regulation is not a waiver of the City’s current authority to enforce rules against unpermitted events, and does not constitute a sanction of any unpermitted event.
PURSUANT TO BMC 6.32.030:
On August 5, 2018, it shall be a violation of this Rule for any person to bring into Civic Center Park or Ohlone Park, any of the following items:
- Metal pipes
- Lengths of lumber or wood (any
- Wooden dowels
- Poles or staffs
- Baseball bats or sticks modified for
use as a weapon
- Glass bottles or metal cans modified
for use as a weapon
- Pepper or bear spray (OC spray)
- Knives or daggers
- •Axes, axe handles, or hatchets
- Ice picks
- Razor blades
- Improvised explosive devices (IEDs)
- Spray cans
- Fireworks, firecrackers, explosives
- Smoke canisters
- Heavy-gauge chain
- Torches, lanterns or other devices
- that use fire or fuel
- Any other item that is generally considered an “implement of riot” that can be used as a weapon
On August 5, 2018, in Civic Center Park and Ohlone Park, the wearing of a mask, scarf, bandana or any other accessory or item that covers or partially covers the face and shields the wearer’s face from view, or partially from view, is prohibited, except for coverings worn due to religious beliefs, practices, or observances, or due to medical necessity.
SUBJECT: RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS IN CIVIC CENTER PARK AND OHLONE
PARK FOR AUGUST 5, 2018
Law enforcement personnel are exempt from this Rule.